I think if that were true and this change wasa really intended to help new players then they would simply have given the 500 K SP on the starter character (allocated or unallocated). This is purely about making money through people buying PLEX to buy SP (and pushing up PLEX prices as a sideline, again benefiting the older players who can afford to stockpile them to sell later).

You will not have a perfectly orange sheet with all lvl 5s. You will have a bunch of 0 level skills everywhere mixed in the the level 5s.

Actually you skill sheet will look even worst then.

Something feels wrong about having AUR costs for it, its the first thing where AUR can help you buy skills.. I guess it depends a bit on the cost though. I just worry that like everything else it will be overpriced.

Who's thighs are you thinking about?

it is amazing how many people with strong opinions on this subject don't know the character bazar exists

This will be if released as planned, the very first Pay2Win item in EVE.

Up until now all items bought through the New Eden Store have been nothing more than fancy clothing and ship skins. nothing that will give a player an advantage over another. After this update, we are one step closer to a Pay2Win model.

The GÇ£Skill ExtractorGÇ¥ should be available by other methods as well as the New Eden Store. Perhaps from CONCORD and/or Sansha LP stores at a high price.

You can never go below 5 Million SP. So to extract SP from a character they will need to have at least 5.5 million SP.

CCP, when do you plan to ban character selling?

I presume character name change service is not talked about anywhere, because we all know why?

Sincerely really happy that CCP is implementing this.
The present skill system needs a boost and Eve being such a long standing game can result in a skill tree that 'looks' like a grind too far as a new capsuleer.

Kudos for following through.

worst idea ever

1 char bazar already exist
2 this system will be abuse
3 noob will be able to credit card insta titan instead of buying a char

[quote][we want you to decide the value of traded skillpoints while we make sure there is one single mechanism that brings new skillpoints in to the system GÇô training./quote]

But if i just buy all my SP on my new char ? He will never train a skill, but yet will be able to have a lot of skills ?
How fair is that for people who spent 10years training skill ?

And the biggest question i have is when will you allocate ressources to give us 'jesus' features back instead of spending your time killing the caps and the sp ?

They can already do this, via the Character Bazaar.

Yes, you can, if you buy the right character.

So CCP has decided to go on ahead and kill Eve huh? Mark my words CCP, this game's REAL decline starts here!

Have you any idea how insanely infeasible this is. You would need approximately 1500 plex injectors to get from 80mil to the 500mil you would need for max SP and in doing so you would be removing around 600,000,000 SP from the game.

I mathed it wrong, it's actually 2800 injectors. And it'll take 1.4billion extracted SP to get one character to 500milsp.

But isnt this new system planned to generate more moniez?

i think like every single person raging against this change just has a high-sp character and is v. angry they are no longer elite for having paid subscription fees for longer

You're an idiot and should probably stop posting forever. You could buy any amount of isk for many years thanks to plex. You could buy any character that can do anything thanks to plex (bazaar). You could buy a titan and titan pilot on your first day thanks to plex.

People do this and die horribly in lowsec to rekking crew. All this does is add a little customization and control over your skill sheet. I dont see anyone raging over plex everyone loves it. This will be the same once you get off your pay-to-win hobby horse and unstrap your tinfoil hat.

CCP pay no attention to ignorant haters this is a great feature and reasonable people love it.

You already were bud. If they bought a high sp character and a links alt. I cannot fathom how dumb people can be that they dont realize we have been buying, selling and trading sp for years.

Then they should probably unsub and go play a korean grinder if thats a more pure gaming experience.

I have been playing almost nine years. I have enough SP to do anything I want in this game. I do not see myself ever using this feature. With that said, I still support this change, because it will be good for some people and will improve their gaming experience. That, and, it is no different than selling or buying a character in the bazaar.

CCP, this idea is good and you should feel good.

That is something I have wondering about. It will depend on the relative cost of injectors compared to buying a character. Speculating, it may mean most of the low SP characters disappear from the bazaar and just 80M SP plus, highly focused characters remain, trading at a premium (due to the diminishing returns). But I don't think anyone really has a good idea how this is going to play out.

It is the last relevant question.

Any debate before the answer is completly irrelevant (if we ignore the bittervet ocean of tears).

If the goal is to help newbros, the AUR price must be low. If the price is too high, it will only help rich people (irl) and rich people (ig) to build insta-alts.

500K sp is 8 days of training for a x1 skill. ?

Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections?

For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon.

Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going.

Why do you guys assume that there will be this limitless supply of injectors? Cause personally I'm not sure we'll even see ONE.

I sure don't need "extra cash", and if I do, selling a PLEX is certainly more effective, and my SP are quite precious, so I don't plan on removing any of them.

So where do you see all these vast amounts of skillpoints coming from? I mean, you're yelling back and forth about "rich kids getting 200 million skillpoints", from where??? With the skill loss on transfer, 300+ million SP's would have to be destroyed to let a single rich kid achieve his "dream".

Character Bazaar, out of 24,000 logins every day, how many are selling, say, SKILLED (not holder) titan pilots, or any other super for that matter. 3, 4? 10? Or hell, pilots with more than 120 million points. If the chances of getting 120 million points are 0.04%, where exactly is the fire?

CCP isn't giving away skillpoints out of thin air; some players will have to lose them in order for anyone to get any. I really doubt that we'll have that many people willing to de-progress their character.

ESPECIALLY when CCP finally announces the Aurum cost for it, and you all realize what a truly monumental cash grab this is. Why do you think they're avoiding any mention of the prices?

Correct. Before this game breaking change, you were unable to catch up with older players, now you will also be unable to catch up with a lot of newer players.

Apparently this solves a problem.

2) CCP is a business, and ALL businesses must put the bottom line before the wants of any segment of the customer base ESPECIALLY a player base as narrow focused and childish as this vocal segment. You say you've played this game for "X" years...get over yourself. Your subscription time does not grant you access to the decision making process the company has to engage in for it's survival and long term financial health. CCP has shown us a glimpse of their plans and those plans are exciting, I can't wait to experience the next iterations they have in development. But guess what, those types of things cost money, and if it angers you that CCP hasn't just come out and said this change will help fund future development then you truly are as thick headed as I envision.

" pay to win" - you keep using that phrase, I don't think it means what you think it means.